ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[TheGreatAbyss]

Best one I've seen:

https://www.rei.com/product/851058/thule-pulse-alpine-roof-box

It faces the wrong way.

 

[Campgottagopee]

I saw today that GM took almost a $7 billion hit on their EV division. what Pea brain idiot in the ivory Tower thought it would be a good idea to make a hundred thousand dollar plus Silverado EV and a nine thousand pound hundred ,100k+hummer EV shocking.
But the CEOs keep their jobs and get bonuses

I watch those things go through the sale and shake my head. It's insane. Those Hummers are so cool looking but what boat anchors they are.
GM currently has a $25,000 rebate on their EV vans. They too are huge! And don't sell. LoL
These manufacturers are losing their asses in the EV market. Maybe Toyota was onto something by not jumping in with both feet.
Hybrids are where it's at.

 

[TheGreatAbyss]

These US manufacturers are losing their asses in the EV market.

FIFY
Well except for Tesla who is in the US

 

[MarzNC]

Maybe Toyota was onto something by not jumping in with both feet.
Hybrids are where it's at.

Here's a sign in at my local Toyota dealership. Was in for an oil change for the 2022 RAV4 Prime with just about 80,000 miles. Apparently Toyota dropped "Prime" from the branding for the PHEV.

The fine print under Fuel Cell says "Available in California only".

 

[Campgottagopee]

FIFY
Well except for Tesla who is in the US

True
For now
Tesla sales are down

 

[DomB]

True
For now
Tesla sales are down

Tesla is not going anywhere. Assume their market disappears (big assumption - they are profitable at a point no US maker is) - the founder has enough cash and hubris to just keep it going.

 

[Tjf1967]

I watch those things go through the sale and shake my head. It's insane. Those Hummers are so cool looking but what boat anchors they are.
GM currently has a $25,000 rebate on their EV vans. They too are huge! And don't sell. LoL
These manufacturers are losing their asses in the EV market. Maybe Toyota was onto something by not jumping in with both feet.
Hybrids are where it's at.

The dealerships certain don't help.

 

[tirolski]

Tesla sales are down

Saw me a cyber truck up close when I stopped to get a couple loaves of nice bread yesterday after skiing before the big game.
Those dang things still look funky.
Twernt a speck of rust.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Tesla is not going anywhere. Assume their market disappears (big assumption - they are profitable at a point no US maker is) - the founder has enough cash and hubris to just keep it going.

Agree
The owner is a friggin nut job and could pull the plug at any point. He doesn't care.

The last car company anyone worth their salt would want to work for us Tesla.

 

[Campgottagopee]

If it wasn't for the previous federal mandates, and other manufacturers needing to purchase credits, Tesla would already be belly up.