ICE v Electric: Cost and Emissions

[tirolski]

So true. The fact that dairy farming has gone corporate in CNY makes me sad.
The days of small generational dairy farming is all but gone.

Most farm acreage around here is dairy & have all gone big but are run by families. There’s an egg place to boot that just built another big expansion.

There’s also some smaller farms doing more direct to consumer stuff (veggies, eggs, cheeses, meats, honey, syrup...).

May take a run over to the big Amish store again near Seneca Falls. Going to that place is always a treat.

 

[Campgottagopee]

May take a run over to the big Amish store again near Seneca Falls.

Sauders is awesome!

 

[tirolski]

Sauders is awesome!

Sauders knows how to put together a great sammich.
The folks who work there are real nice.

 

[Campgottagopee]

Most farm acreage around here is dairy & have all gone big but are run by families. There’s an egg place to boot that just built another big expansion.

Same here.
I used the wrong word. I should've said factory farming and not corporate.
It must be profitable. One local farmer just bought a new ski house out west for $8.1 million

 

[tirolski]

Same here.
I used the wrong word. I should've said factory farming and not corporate.
It must be profitable. One local farmer just bought a new ski house out west for $8.1 million

With the amount of gallons of poo they pump if they ever had to try their hand a making snow it wouldn’t take them much to get up to speed. Be a hellovalot cleaner to boot.

 

[DomB]

Same here.
I used the wrong word. I should've said factory farming and not corporate.
It must be profitable. One local farmer just bought a new ski house out west for $8.1 million

I know of an organic dairy farm that is not big in the Syracuse area - maybe 60-150 head. They live pretty simply and get by, but I don't think they are crushing it economically. Of course, this sounds like it is not the factory farm approach. From what I hear, because of milk price variability, it is a lot of feast or famine from the farmer's perspective, including times when it is more economical to dump milk then pay to ship and sell.

 

[Andy_ROC]

That's amazing. Not even brakes?

Yeah that was my question also. Nope not even brakes.

I really think electric motors are going to be the way once solid state batteries become the norm. So I also think GM and Ford made a mistake thinking large EV's would be in high demand this soon. Both companies are big ships that can't move nimbly enough. Instead they should have focused on hybrids for right now. Example Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid close to 30mpg. Pretty darn good.

 

[DomB]

Yeah that was my question also. Nope not even brakes.

I really think electric motors are going to be the way once solid state batteries become the norm. So I also think GM and Ford made a mistake thinking large EV's would be in high demand this soon. Both companies are big ships that can't move nimbly enough. Instead they should have focused on hybrids for right now. Example Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid close to 30mpg. Pretty darn good.

Many years ago when my son was born I wanted a highlander hybrid (I think Tesla may not have been in NY yet, and I saw where the family was going size was so i wanted a somewhat usable 3d row). I think maybe they are in mid 30s in town.

 

[Campgottagopee]

I know of an organic dairy farm that is not big in the Syracuse area - maybe 60-150 head. They live pretty simply and get by, but I don't think they are crushing it economically. Of course, this sounds like it is not the factory farm approach. From what I hear, because of milk price variability, it is a lot of feast or famine from the farmer's perspective, including times when it is more economical to dump milk then pay to ship and sell.

There's an organic farm here locally. Same situation as the one you've described. Most of their milk goes to the production of yogurt, made by Byrne Dairy. Byrne Dairy is one of the biggest in this area.
It's a safe bet I'll always be on the side of the farmer. That said, my issue with the current factory farming we're seeing is they don't let their cows out to pasture. Obviously it's due to profit, but I think that's awful. Cows need to pasture, IMHO.

 

[Campgottagopee]

With the amount of gallons of poo they pump if they ever had to try their hand a making snow it wouldn’t take them much to get up to speed. Be a hellovalot cleaner to boot.

This thread is currently experiencing a big drift. I like it. LoL
Speaking of liquid poo. NYS used to have world class turkey hunting. That's no joke. We had massive birds. I noticed a big drop in the number of birds once dairy farmers went from spreading manure vs the liquid poo they spread now. That, combined with more natural predators, has had a massive decline in birds.